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Θέμα: ZMA
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29-04-08 21:34 #16
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30-04-08 00:40 #20
την εχεις δει Ρουβας, ετσι δεν ειναι???
Λοιπον στο ερωτημα του φιλου μας
High levels / Overdose / Toxicity / Negative Side Effects - Symptoms and/or Risk Factors:
Zinc:
DRI (RDA): 18 years+ => 15mg
Nausea, vomiting, dehydration, gastrointestinal
problems, stomach ulcers, prostatitis, higher risk
of several types of cancer, loss of libido, anemia,
impotence, hair loss, joint / back pains, muscle
spasms / cramps, dysmenorrhea (menstrual pain),
ovarian cysts (left), weakened immune system,
irritability.
Magnesium:
DRI (RDA): 18 years+ => 300-400mg
Cardiovascular disease, muscle / joint pains,
dry skin, low stomach acid, low blood pressure,
depression, fatigue, higher risk for several
cancers, diarrhea, osteoporosis, joint / spinal
degeneration, dehydration, muscle spasms /
cramps.
Vitamin B6 - Pyridoxine / P5P:
DRI (RDA): 18 years+ => 300mcg
Numbness in hands and/or feet (from high intake of
pyridoxine, not pyridoxal-5-phosphate), depression,
suicidal tendencies, severe fatigue, low blood sugar,
mood swings, migraine-headaches, heart palpitations,
hyperthyroid, hypothyroid (long-term supplementation),
spinal / nerve degeneration (all forms of Vitamin B6),
muscle spasms / cramps, osteoporosis, arthritis,
higher blood pressure (short-term supplementation),
lower blood pressure (long-term supplementation),
abnormally high phosphorus-sodium ratio (low pH),
abnormally high magnesium-calcium ratio, severe
calcium deficiency, severe manganese deficiency,
PMS, decreased estrogen, decreased prolactin,
restlessness, increased dream activity, insomnia.
Γενικα
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=35067
καταληγουν στο οτι δουλευει μερικως αλλα αν εχεις ευαισθητο προσωπο και βγαζεις σπυρακια ευκολα....αστο καλυτερα
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30-04-08 10:34 #21
τι παρενεργεια....
Μιλαμε για το γνωστο zma.....?Spyro D
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30-04-08 18:12 #22
οχι ρε παιδια απλα σκεφτομαι να το πορω και θελω να γνωριζω.
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30-04-08 18:31 #23
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Σιγα να μην βγαζεις και σηδερενια πανοπλια με την χρηση της μαζι με τα σπυρακια που το ακουσες αυτο παλι (τωρα το ειδα )
να σου πω τη σημαινει το RDA to πρωτο ειναι recomended(σορυ για τα αγγλικα ) οποτε με αυτη την ποσοτητα με λιγα λογια θελεις να για επιβιωσεις-ζησεις και οχι αμα παρεις 1 μγ παραπανω να ειναι overdose
προτηνωμενη-προτηνω
ZMA πηρα πριν 3 μηνες και περνω τωρα που μηλαμε για αυτον και τον επομενο μηνα
Δεν παρατηρησα καμια ακμη κανενα αλλο side αλλα τα αμερικανακια δεν ειναι εξυπνα τα ψαγμενα τι ενοω πανω στο κουτι γραφει να περνεις 2 δοσεις μια πριν την προπονηση μια πριν τον υπνο(για καταναλωση) οποτε 450 μαγνησιο 30 ψευδαργηρος ενω σου χρειαζετε 1 οχι πως θα παθεις ζημεια απεχεις πολυ απο το πραγματικο overdose ακομα και με 2 δοσεις
Κανενα side efeck εκτος απο **********
πολυ απλα πως δουλευει το ΖΜΑ τα ατομα που εμφανηζαν χαμηλη τεστοστερονη ειχαν χαμηλα αυτα τα ο μεταλα (ζινκ,μαγνησιο) οποτε οταν αρχησαν να περνουν ανεβασαν την φυσικη τεστο αυτο παρατηρηθηκε τωρα αμα τα εχεις καλα αυτα τα 2 μεταλα στο σωμα σου και οχι χαμηλα τοτε ισως δεν δεις κανενα αποτελεσμα απο το ΖΜΑ
****Εχω παρατηρηση το εξης απο τοτε που αρχησα να περνω ΖΜΑ εχανα το λεωφορειο , το joker , εβγαινα εξω χωρις ομπρελα και χαλουσε ο καιρος δεν εβρησκα να παρκαρω το αμαξι και αλλα τετοια
Κατι ακομα για το σκετο ζινκ
Nature's Way Zinc, chelated with amino acids, is readily absorbed into the system. Zinc is present in all organs, tissues, fluids and secretions of the body. It is essential for cellular reproduction and therefore, growth and repair of all body systems. Zinc is important in the development of sperm(μαλιστα μαθαμε κατι και σημερα εντελως τυχαια ) and in prostate function. Zinc is a co-factor with vitamin A in vision and it also helps mobilize vitamin A from storage in the liver.
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22-11-08 18:39 #24
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παιδια πως σας φαίνεται το z- max energetics?
Συστατικά(ανά ταμπλέτα): magnesium aspartate(600mg), rice starch(25mg), maltodextrine, zinc monomethionate(25mg), magnesium stearate, vitamin B6(3,5mg)
Συσκευασία:120 tabs
στη τιμη των 30 ευρω ενω
της optimum zma 180 καψουλες
Θρεπτική αξία 3 κάψουλες (για άνδρες)
Ψευδάργυρος 30 mg
Μαγνήσιο 450 mg
Βιταμίνη Β6 10,5 mg
στη τιμη των 57 περιπου
βλεπω η τιμη διαφερει πολυ...η ποιοτητα ομωσ?
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23-11-08 14:37 #28
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αυτο της now το σκετο που πουλανε 180 χαπια 400 μγ μαγνησιο και zinc απο την ιδια εταιρια σου βγαζει κανενα 6 μηνο
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23-11-08 14:55 #29Αρχικό μήνυμα απο sotirisalex
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26-11-08 08:21 #30
Άρθρο μου
A few myths and truths about ZMA:
Myth: ZMA is a patended formula.
Truth: ZMA has no patent whatsoever. The only thing “patended” about ZMA is the name. The ZMA trademark can be found here http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield...ate=21b7m3.2.2. As it is obvious, no quantities of components, manufacturing process e.t.c. is covered. As long as the manufacturing company puts some ingredients together and calls it ZMA, it is, as far as the US patent office is concerned, ZMA.
Myth: ZMA works, because it is scientifically designed and, to back this up, has a study conducted by Dr. Brilla on June 2, 1999 which showed it to increase free testosterone by 30% compared to up to 10% loss on non ZMA group.
Truth: ZMA was created by Victor Conte, owner of Balco Labs. Victor Conte is not a scientist. He spent about 15 years playing bass in various rock bands (including Tower of Power), and when money started running out he opened up a holistic health center with wife. He shut this center down after a year and then opened up BALCO (Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative). At a sports medicine conference in 1997, Conte met Brilla and asked her to conduct a study on SNACʼs zinc-magnesium supplement. In November 1998, Brilla and Conte presented their findings on a poster board at a meeting of the Southwest Chapter of the American College of Sports Medicine, in Las Vegas. There were made the claims that ZMA produced 250% greater strength gains compared to placebo, that it created “hormonal increase” on the subjects and that it was the only natural supplement that was clinically proven to increase testosterone.
What the press release didnʼt say was that Conte owned SNAC and it was simply an affiliate of BALCO. Nor did it reveal that Conteʼs SNAC had helped pay for the study or that Brilla had been aided by Jim Valente and Dr. Brian Goldman, BALCOʼs vice president and medical director, respectively. It also didnʼt report that of the 57 Western Washington University football players who signed up for the study, 30 quit. By the end, only a dozen players were using ZMA while 15 took a placebo.(1)
Furthermore, Brilla had in the past cpnducted studies on magnesium and itʼs effect on testosterone and strength in athletes and football players in particular. The ZMA study demonstrated results painfully close to the ones of the magnesium-only study she herself had conducted a few years earlier(4). Brilla was simply asked to repeat the study, using this time along with the magnesium some zinc and “surprisingly” the same good results came out.
Myth: ΖΜΑ contains the most bioavailable forms of Zinc available, aspartate and monomethionine.
Truth: Zinc aspartate has been data suggesting it to be an ineffective form of Zinc(5) and surely not any better than Zinc Sulfate, the most commonly used form(6). Zinc monomethionine has no negative studies on it for now, but also no literature proving it to be superior to other Zinc forms that exist.
As for magnesium aspartateʼs bioavailability, it stands in the middle, with other more potent forms existing(7,8)
Myth: “Hey, ZMA worked for me, my buddy, my neighbour and my dog. It made me 10 times stronger and bigger”
Truth: Placebo is priceless. While many ZMA users reported various gains and indeed ZMA can be as beneficial as supplementing with Zinc and Magnesium if you are deficient, ZMA has failed to elevate serum testosterone levels in healthy training males(9). Chances is, if you are a well eating and supplementing average athelete, you are not Zinc deficient and ZMA will do nothing for your testosterone. Another independend study involving 42 trained males that received only ZMA as a supplement showed that “ no significant differences were observed between groups in anabolic or catabolic hormone status, body composition, 1-RM bench press and leg press, upper or lower body muscular endurance, or cycling anaerobic capacity. Results indicate that ZMA supplementation during training does not appear to enhance training adaptations in resistance trained populations.”(10).
Myth: “I donʼt care anyway. ZMA is cheap like hell and gives me better sleep”
Truth: Magnesiumʼs benefits on mood(11), insomnia(12) and cramping(13) are well documented. Zinc also has various benefits, provided no deficiency exists. The fact however remains that you can buy equal or even better Zinc and Magnesium supplements for 1/3 the cost. If you feel still comfortable dumping 10$ for a name then the author restʼs his case.
References:
1 Game of Shadows
2 http://www.jacn.org/cgi/content/abstract/11/3/326
3 www.uspto.gov
4 EFFECT OF MAGNESIUM-FORTIFIED SPORTS DRINK ON STRENGTH IN COLLEGIATE FOOTBALL PLAYERS 1423.Medicine & Science in Sports & Exercise. 29(5) Supplement:250, May 1997
5 Bioavailability of orally administered zinc, using Taurizine.Duisterwinkel FJ, Wolthers BG, Koopman BJ, Muskiet FA, Van der Slik W.
6. Bioavailability of zinc from zinc-histidine complexes.Comparison with zinc sulfate in healthy men.
7Bioavailability of US commercial magnesium preparations.
Firoz M, Graber M.
8. Study of magnesium bioavailability from ten organic and inorganic Mg salts in Mg-depleted rats using a stable isotope approach.
Coudray C, Rambeau M, Feillet-Coudray C, Gueux E, Tressol JC, Mazur A, Rayssiguier Y.
9 Serum testosterone and urinary excretion of steroid hormone metabolites after administration of a high-dose zinc supplement.
Koehler K, Parr MK, Geyer H, Mester J, SchThere is no cure for stupidity
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